Arcane: T13 4-Piece+Arcane Power question

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nom, nom, why would you care? just hit the damn ap button once it freshes?
the pvp 4 piece bonus is way better for pve actually, +5% ab damage.

Will Sam make the leap home?

we can only hope....
How long does it take you to get those 10 stacks of stolen time?

Let's assume with your stats, first arcane blast takes 1.9 seconds, and all you do is spam 10 in a row.

1.9 + 1.8 + 1.7 + 1.6 + 1.5(x6) = 16 seconds.

16 seconds to reach the reduced cd of 20 seconds seems pretty close to the 37 second cd you mention.

Fire V.S. Frost - leveling through RBG's

[:1]So yea, I am mostly planning on leveling through random battlegrounds and curious of what peoples opinions are about leveling with frost or fire spec. The way I see it, but I may be way off the mark as in the past my highest level Mage was 8 o_O. But, I see fire as being able to nuke, which seems good for sub-85 battlegrounds and frost as the more tactical control your enemy and whittle away at him which is good for arena/duels. Does it matter if you have heirlooms or do not have heirlooms?(I will have full heirlooms but my brother leveling a Mage with me will have none)

Any other opinions? Did not find much on the topic on these forums, or any forums for that matter.

Background info - me and my brother just started playing again via scroll of resurrection. We started on a completely new server based on one that would roughly meet both our needs. I will be transferring over a character with heirlooms, but my brother will have none.
Frost and fire make for some sick combos with shatters. Personally I would go frost (especially with heirlooms)
Fire. All day every day.

Frost's survivability basically turns a 1 shot into a 2 shot. It isn't enough for the burst you give up.

I ran BGs at every X4 and X9 interval from 49 on. I had probably 6-7 different games where I was 19:0 or 19:1. I had several instances where I engaged and killed 4 people simultaneously, including Rogues/Ferals/Hunters.
I have an 81 mage now as frost and I demolish pretty much anything I look at.

survivability is amazing, I would totally go frost.
frost is best because of ice barrier /thread
Once you can get ice barrier, frost becomes 1000% better than fire imo. At my level, my glyphed ice barrier absorbs more hp than I have. Effectively having 8-9k hp at level 58, as well as not having my casts delayed is huge.
Xiun well even as 85 u demolish anything u look at..
Even though I prefer fire at 85 by far low levels frost really is the way to go.

Really? Double Polymorph?

[:1]Because we've all been thinking that mages needed some more CC right?

Polying 2 people at the same time in a 3s match should be really balanced.
I refer thee to the tier 1 Mage talents regarding 'Mages have so much CC!'

I also refer thee to the release date that's at least 6 months away.
well the second person you polly is pollyd for half the time so i dont think its that bad
for pvp: poly one target 8 second duration, poly the second 4 second duration and the first one has maybe 5 seconds left if you are fast on the switch.

what is the REAL benefit in pvp of this talent? hardly anything.

heavy polymorph is your pvp choice (or the sickly one) and heavy polymorph already exists in the arcane tree now.
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Because we've all been thinking that mages needed some more CC right?

Polying 2 people at the same time in a 3s match should be really balanced.

trinket the 8 seconds and eat the 4. grat's now the next sheep on target a is only 4 seconds and the next sheep on target b is only 2 seconds which isn't worth it. not to mention you spent 3 seconds hard casting just begging to be interrupted.

oh and this line ->> "grat's now the next sheep on target a is only 4 seconds and the next sheep on target b is only 2 seconds which isn't worth it."<<- is assuming that you individually sheep them otherwise you get 4 and 1 or 2 and 2. in other words for 6 seconds of casting you get a maximum of 9 seconds of sheep time. on the bright side you managed to force one trinket. though you could do that without double sheep anyways.

Edit: in other words this is mostly just a battleground maybe even a 5's talent.
Mage's aren't meant to be balanced - see Frost spec for further details. ICE LANCE.
well if you're complaining about CC you realize that cold snap will only reset ice block, Elemental and Frost nova. so you can only reset ONE cc. so in theory frost mages will be losing half of their CC and their 2nd bubble and half of their damage in PVE from DF/icy veins.

The 4.3 fire mage PvP discussion thread.

[:1]Will it be viable for 3v3?

If so, what comps.

I'm thinking frost mage / fire mage / rshaman is going to be awesometownUSA.com/shatter

Discuss.
Umm it is already perfectly viable right now and is getting buffed so... yes?

I am worried about the prospects of us being ruined in the next expansion as blizzard probably doesn't care about fire and will inadvertently destroy us.
Well its somewhat viable in arena presently. In many 3v3 teams a fire mage is a liability in my opinion.
Fire RMP would be interesting. Fire MLS would also be great for that dispel protection and crazy sustained damage.
Possibly a heavy burst comp? Fire Mage, Shadow priest, Disc priest or something.
I read somewhere that If you are the burst you want a constant damage comp and vice-versa.
To motgutra, an ele shammy or a paly healer would be better to benefit from different buffs
Fire ele disc

I think your disc priest would get turbo-cleaved to death.

ele / fire have good peels but i'd maybe prefer Hpally/fire/ele type thing.

Need help with transition to Fire

[:1]Hey all, I'm here because I am trying out fire, but I don't have nearly the same dps as other mages that I run RF with.

I understand that my gear isn't quite up to par yet (need more crit and haste) but I have trouble maintaining 15k dps as Fire. When I change to Arcane I can average around 19-20k.

I follow the rotations that have been posted here, and sometime I see spikes where I hit 20k, but it's not consistent. Also, I almost never get any pyroblast procs, even when I'm raid buffed and have ~25% crit. Does the RNG hate me or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for any advice you all can give!
The RNG hates you. It always has, and always will. It strives to murder your dps during burn phases. It delights in your anguish when your combustion ticks for 6k. It is the immovable object to your painfully stoppable force.
I see very little things to change with your current gear. Fire DPS very often live or die by the quality of the combustion you use. If you use combustion helper, just having the light turn to green isn;t always good enough, you need to make sure you set it up, or know, you have a decent ignite going on when you combust.
Found part of your problem.

2 empty glyphs
5 unenchanted items
No buckle.

Help with frost spec for leveling

[:1]So I me and my brother are trying to level frost, but talents are giving us a real problem. It seems like a lot of our talents, even the first tier ones are for skills we will not receive for quite a while. In particular is Shatter, what counts and what doesn't count as being frozen? and if anyone has a suggested build that would help a ton, everything I could find is outdated by a year or two.
"Frozen" targets are ones rooted down in ice by effects such as Improved Cone of Cold (a talent) and Frost Nova. Later in leveling you will get Deep Freeze which makes the target count as being frozen for its stun duration.

Also, once you get Ice Lance (I think its in the early 20's) you can use it right after a frostbolt while the target is frozen and both will get the effect of Shatter. That is called a Shatter Combo and it does A LOT of damage. Learn to use it.

Need some fire mage help

[:1]Hey All

So I leveled my mage to 80 using Frost, Now I want to switch to fire.

Few questions though...

1- Is fire mage the best damage spec atm?

2- What is a good guide with a good rotation? Have no idea what rotation to use. I looked at the fire mage sticky post but it is from april of last year. Does its recommendations still stand a few patches later?

Rotation is the biggest thing I need help with right now for single and AOE targets. Most I see make it seem like I should not use any frost abilities while spec fire unless they are for pvp.

Any info would be great.

Thanks
Just to give you an idea

I been going with the following

Single Target

Frostfire, Pyro, Living Bomb, Fireball, and combustion when its up

Groups

Blast Wave, Dragons Breath, Flamestrike, Fire Blast when procs
Frostfire is a dps loss, Fireball is still the best nuke.

My dps is usually - precast mirror images if the fight has no weakness phase, squeeze in a orb for the start of the fight as well. I cast scorch for my debuff, cast LB, refresh LB after it explodes, and spam fireball.

I have parrot filtering all fireballs/pyros under 30k DPS. It says in big text at the top of my screen when I crit, and based on my logs I got a good idea of what my average ignite should look like. After I get a good ignite, I use combustion. Rinse repeat. I also use a /stopcast macro for my combustion and pyroblast!, particularly important for combustion as it's really a split-second decision to hit it or not.

I tend to not open with pyroblast, I'd rather get right to looking for those ignites.
For mobs though while leveling mirror image will not be p for every target since I am doing quests right?

So should I just go with Scorch, LB and fireball until 81 when I get flame orb?

And use nothing else basically? SO just 4 attacks. I was using frostfire cause without it mobs get to me and start hitting me. The slowing them down allowed me to drop them before they get to me. I am basically looking for best rotation for leveling to 85. Not worring about dungeons or raids yet.

Hey All

So I leveled my mage to 80 using Frost, Now I want to switch to fire.

Few questions though...

1- Is fire mage the best damage spec atm?

2- What is a good guide with a good rotation? Have no idea what rotation to use. I looked at the fire mage sticky post but it is from april of last year. Does its recommendations still stand a few patches later?

Rotation is the biggest thing I need help with right now for single and AOE targets. Most I see make it seem like I should not use any frost abilities while spec fire unless they are for pvp.

Any info would be great.

Thanks

Well If i were you i would go frost/fire its awsome im frost/fire Anyway fire is mainly used for pvp and dungeons and frost is mainly used for Pve/pvp....
The rotation for frost is Frostfire bolt.... Frost bolt Frostfire Orb...... thats what i use.... Now the Fire rotation is Flame Orb Pyroblast Scorch Then Use Dragons breath.... Scorch is good if you want to move and fight cause scorch lets u walk and fight..

Hey All

So I leveled my mage to 80 using Frost, Now I want to switch to fire.

Few questions though...

1- Is fire mage the best damage spec atm?

2- What is a good guide with a good rotation? Have no idea what rotation to use. I looked at the fire mage sticky post but it is from april of last year. Does its recommendations still stand a few patches later?

Rotation is the biggest thing I need help with right now for single and AOE targets. Most I see make it seem like I should not use any frost abilities while spec fire unless they are for pvp.

Any info would be great.

Thanks

Well If i were you i would go frost/fire its awsome im frost/fire Anyway fire is mainly used for pvp and dungeons and frost is mainly used for Pve/pvp....
The rotation for frost is Frostfire bolt.... Frost bolt Frostfire Orb...... thats what i use.... Now the Fire rotation is Flame Orb Pyroblast Scorch Then Use Dragons breath.... Scorch is good if you want to move and fight cause scorch lets u walk and fight..