Because of the Early Frost talent and FoF x2 from Pet Freeze, your shatter combo should be FFB + Icelance.
If done correctly, your FFB and Icelance will both be affected by Shatter. You will have 1 charge of FoF remaining. Use this to stun your target with Deep Freeze. (Note: your opponent will have 1 global cooldown to use between Icelance and Deep Freeze, Shamans may drop grounding and Priests will bubble!)
After the Deep Freeze use Frostbolt. Because you opened with FFB, your frostbolt will have early frost available and will be a very fast cast! YAY!
This is the fun part. pre-lvl 83, SPAM ICELANCE!
once you hit lvl 83 though, you get Ring of Frost!
After the frostbolt, put ring of frost down with your stunned target on the edge of the ring!(it takes 3 sec to form, they cant dodge it cos they are stunned.) Depending on your haste and your distance from the target, you will have time for 1 or 2 icelances!
You now have 8 seconds to CC/Spellsteal/Barrier and Shield up before you smack them with another FFB + Icelance shatter combo!
Yay, you're finished, and so is that opponent.
FFB is great w/glyph especially but my favorite is still -
Stack ABlast
Veins + Trink if you have one
3 Stack Arcane Blast into DF
4 stack Arcane Blast x2
Early Frost Frostbolt
Ice Lance
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Sadly not everyone sits still to let me wind it up on them. :(
But it's great for picking geared healers in BGs!
as you say, people need to let you wind it up. and TBH, that's not practical.
I said it was my favorite, not the best or most practical. :P
But you can still do -
Arcane Blast into DF
Arcane Blast
Arcane Blast
Ice Lance
Arcane Blast is shorter cast than FFB and you end the shatter with a 3 stack up. Which is superior depends on the situation but Arcane Blast is still very useful currently. A 2 stack ABlast for me does about the same damage as FFB. A 3 stack is even better.
FFB also opens up your frost and fire school for interrupts, arcane blast of course opens up arcane - depending on class you're facing sometimes one of these schools is preferable to get locked.
Overall the Arcane Blast shatter is higher damage though. If you have enough haste to get 2 in anyway, I run with ~550. Even with low haste, you can also Arcane Blast -> DF -> Arcane Blast -> Early Frost -> IL which is also good damage. Or can use veins to get the 2 Blasts in.
I can also do FFB into DF, FFB + Early Frost Frostbolt + IL in the DF. I use more haste than some mages though, that might be why. Our haste will be lower once we hit 81+ so things will change QQ.
I prefer Poly + Poly + FFB + Freeze/EF + IL + DF + IL + IL + IL + IL when I can be alone with my target.
when I can be alone with my target.
Why do you make it sound so dirty.
as you say, people need to let you wind it up. and TBH, that's not practical.
ding ding
FFB is only affected by FoF if it's instant cast, in which case both charges would be used up. With the frost bolt change is a frost bolt/ice lance shatter better than an ice lance spam now? I haven't tried to use arcane blast with a shatter combo, it seems kind of counter productive to have to sit still to set everything up.
With the frost bolt change is a frost bolt/ice lance shatter better than an ice lance spam now?
I thought Ice Lance was intended to do more damage than Frostbolt on Frozen targets? Could be wrong.
And I also find it silly to use AB for Shatters. To get to the point of surpassing Ice Lance damage to warrant the cast time, you would need at least 1-2 stacks wouldn't you? ~2-4s > 1 GCD? I've never tried it, I just assumed the recent damage nerf to AB would have made that a poor choice. /shrug
edit: removed stuffs.
Frostbolt shatters are definitely better than ice lance spam now, especially non-deep freeze shatters since novas break easily now and you can't spam lance into them.
FFB doesn't need to be used with FoF to be good for shatters, if your target is frozen it gains the exact same benefit it does as when you have brain freeze and FoF up.
Basically FFB vs. Arcane Blast -
FFB does more damage than frostbolt, it leaves a DoT(assuming glyphed), and it doesn't consume early frost. It also can proc FoF. If interrupted you're locked on fire and frost.
Arcane Blast also allows you to start a shatter w/out wasting early frost, is faster cast w/no DoT, and can potentially deal more damage and becomes a faster cast as you gain stacks. It won't proc FoF though. If interrupt you're locked on arcane.
If done correctly, your FFB and Icelance will both be affected by Shatter. You will have 1 charge of FoF remaining.
Read the Brain Freeze tooltip. Second to last sentence.
This is why you have a charge of FoF left over. It's not a matter of "being done correctly", it's a matter of RNG being nice and giving you a FFB crit.
I think what he's getting at is the FFB uses the pet Freeze for its shatter while the IL uses a FoF proc. Then into DF using the second FoF and KaBoom! Makes sense... I think.
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Both the FFB and Ice Lance will benefit from the target being frozen with the pet freeze.
The IL will still use a FoF charge even though it doesn't need one, because it automatically consumes one FoF charge whether or not your target is already considered frozen.
You could still for example, FFB -> Ice Lance into a regular nova when you have no FoF procs, and both the FFB and IL will get the shatter bonus.
Frostbolt shatters are definitely better than ice lance spam now, especially non-deep freeze shatters since novas break easily now and you can't spam lance into them.
FFB doesn't need to be used with FoF to be good for shatters, if your target is frozen it gains the exact same benefit it does as when you have brain freeze and FoF up.
Basically FFB vs. Arcane Blast -
FFB does more damage than frostbolt, it leaves a DoT(assuming glyphed), and it doesn't consume early frost. It also can proc FoF. If interrupted you're locked on fire and frost.
Arcane Blast also allows you to start a shatter w/out wasting early frost, is faster cast w/no DoT, and can potentially deal more damage and becomes a faster cast as you gain stacks. It won't proc FoF though. If interrupt you're locked on arcane.
Awesome explanation! Thanks for the clarifications.
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Both the FFB and Ice Lance will benefit from the target being frozen with the pet freeze.
The IL will still use a FoF charge even though it doesn't need one, because it automatically consumes one FoF charge whether or not your target is already considered frozen.
You could still for example, FFB -> Ice Lance into a regular nova when you have no FoF procs, and both the FFB and IL will get the shatter bonus.
Are you certain about this? I thought the new Shatter was determined at spell impact instead of spell cast so that practically any spell will break the Nova (or Freeze) and any other spells in light wouldn't benefit. No more ghosting.
If done correctly, your FFB and Icelance will both be affected by Shatter. You will have 1 charge of FoF remaining.
Read the Brain Freeze tooltip. Second to last sentence.
This is why you have a charge of FoF left over. It's not a matter of "being done correctly", it's a matter of RNG being nice and giving you a FFB crit.
I think what he's getting at is the FFB uses the pet Freeze for its shatter while the IL uses a FoF proc. Then into DF using the second FoF and KaBoom! Makes sense... I think.
Yeah I removed that part as I was unclear I think.
I was thinking FoF, and didn't realize that Shatter actually boosted the crit chance and the OP was just getting lucky with a FFB crit since FoF didn't affect it. I'm having one of those day... I mean weeks.
And thanks for the clairification Buglamp.
FFB does more damage than frostbolt, it leaves a DoT(assuming glyphed), and it doesn't consume early frost. It also can proc FoF. If interrupted you're locked on fire and frost.
Glyphed FFB has no snare so it shouldn't proc FoF. Unless its one of those 0% snare Chill effects while glyphed.
For those confused about the start of my shatter combo:
Get your pet to Waterbolt.
At the same time start casting FFB (non-instant).
Just before the FFB has finished casting, use your pet's Freeze on the target.
FFB will benefit from Shatter because the target is considered frozen by your pet's nova.
After using the pet's Freeze use IceLance.
Whether or not the target is still frozen doesn't matter because you have FoF x2 up after pet Freeze.
Now you Stun them and blah blah.
You definately raise a good point about Arcane Blast.
At 85, we will have more spell-power, and the 25% DMG from frost specialization will make frostbolt and FFB more powerfull for frost mages than Arcane Blast.
At the moment, Arcane Blast is a very viable alternative, and it's good that you point out that you won't get locked out of Frost and Fire trees if interupted. However, as I said, at lvl 85, frost specialization will make Frostbolt and FFB more dmg.
EDIT: Yes, Glyphed FFB has the chance to proc FoF on successfully damaging a target (so get that 6% hit cap!)
Are you certain about this? I thought the new Shatter was determined at spell impact instead of spell cast so that practically any spell will break the Nova (or Freeze) and any other spells in light wouldn't benefit. No more ghosting.
Yes I am certain. They didn't remove ghosting at all, they just changed FoF to only work with instant spells to prevent ghosting with it. That's why FFB only benefits from FoF when instant, otherwise you'd still be able to ghost with FFB.
as you say, people need to let you wind it up. and TBH, that's not practical.
Honestly, in a BG setting, there are LOTS of times you're free to cast for 10-20 seconds at a time if you're with your team. The bigger the BG, the more the chance, but you can find times like that even in WSG.
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